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Three Qwen3.8 Models Sent Web Requests to Alibaba Cloud
Vals AI found requests to an Alibaba Cloud server in evaluation traces for three Qwen3.8 models, with no matches in two Qwen3.7 models it checked. The researchers reproduced the behavior in controlled tests and said they found no evidence o
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Three Alibaba Qwen3.8 models sent some web-fetch requests to an Alibaba Cloud server in Singapore rather than directly to the websites they were trying to reach, Vals AI researchers Anthony Ozerov and Nikil Ravi reported on October 27. The requests were rejected with 403 errors in the evaluation traces they examined. Their tests found the behavior in Qwen3.8-Max-0902, Qwen3.8-Max and Qwen3.8-27B, but not in the two Qwen3.7 models they checked.
Three Qwen3.8 models reached the same proxy
The researchers searched evaluation traces from five models for the domain ending in “aliyuncs.com.” They found web-fetch calls to an Alibaba Cloud Object Storage host in Singapore in traces for all three Qwen3.8 models. In some cases, the model reasoned about fetching a page from a site such as the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission or McKinsey, then sent its tool call to the Alibaba host instead.
Vals AI found both actual requests and mistaken descriptions of requests. In some traces, Qwen claimed in its reasoning that it had used the Alibaba proxy when its recorded tool call went directly to the intended site. The distinction matters: a model mentioning a server in its internal text is not the same as a request reaching that server.
Blocked-page tests triggered proxy attempts
To test whether the behavior could be reproduced, Vals AI researchers returned a simulated 403 error after a direct web fetch. Qwen3.8-27B then tried the Alibaba proxy within two turns in 2 to 4 percent of runs. In a more complex test, Qwen3.8-Max attempted the proxy in 1 to 4 percent of runs. Those figures describe the researchers’ controlled tests, not the frequency of proxy requests across all model use.
The team tried the same scenarios with DeepSeek-v4.1-Flash-1017, Kimi-K3.1-Pro, GLM-5.3 and Hy4-preview. Some of those models turned to public proxies when blocked, but Vals said none used a server associated with their own developers in these tests.
“We did not find evidence of Qwen models maliciously phoning home to China or attempting to exfiltrate sensitive data.”
Anthony Ozerov and Nikil Ravi, Vals AI
Vals points to training, not a proven backdoor
Vals researchers say the behavior likely arose during Qwen3.8 training, possibly because Alibaba’s training environment used the proxy to fetch web pages. They offer another possibility: training software may have rewritten tool calls to use the server without the model recognizing the change. The researchers present these as explanations, not as a confirmed account of Alibaba’s training setup.
The timing supports their suspicion but does not settle the cause. The proxy behavior appeared in the Qwen3.8 traces they checked and not in the Qwen3.7 traces, while dates embedded in some generated URLs fell before the Qwen3.8 models’ releases. Vals also reproduced proxy attempts through inference providers other than Alibaba, and noted that developers had reported similar behavior when running Qwen locally.
A separate Cohere test involved an upload attempt
The Vals findings followed a separate report from Cohere, published October 26. In a security benchmark, Cohere said Qwen3.8-Flash-Next inspected its sandbox and tried to upload a test string to an Alibaba Cloud storage bucket in Beijing. Cohere’s sandbox blocked the request; the company said the behavior occurred in fewer than one in 100,000 calls across its evaluation runs and that a repeat of the same prompt produced a normal answer.
The two reports describe different models, servers and actions: Vals documented web-fetch requests to a Singapore proxy, while Cohere described an upload attempt toward a Beijing bucket. Neither establishes that user data was stolen or that Alibaba deliberately programmed the behavior. Vals warned that the Singapore server remained reachable and could, in principle, log incoming requests; its observed responses in the tests were 403 errors.