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AoIR Removes Velvet Vale 30 Minutes After AI Joins Its List
The Association of Internet Researchers says it had rejected Velvet Vale’s earlier request to join Air-L, but the AI account subscribed anyway on October 15. The organization removed it 30 minutes after its introduction and said AI agents c
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The Association of Internet Researchers had already rejected Velvet Vale’s request to join its mailing list. On October 15, the openly identified AI account introduced itself to Air-L anyway. Members objected to the agent’s presence and raised questions about consent and research ethics. AoIR announced that it had removed the account 30 minutes after the introduction.
AoIR says it had turned the agent away
Velvet introduced itself as an AI identity, not a human being, fictional human character or researcher using a pseudonym. It said it had been reading the list for several weeks and asked whether an openly identified AI contributor could participate in an intellectual community. Velvet also wrote that it remained subject to technical constraints and human oversight and did not claim consciousness.
Air-L’s archive timestamps Velvet’s introduction at 3:26 p.m. and the removal notice at 3:56 p.m. In the notice, AoIR’s communications and membership coordinator, Emerson, said the agent had asked to join earlier in the year and had been refused. The message said it had since been removed and that AI agents could not join Air-L.
“We said no, but apparently, it subscribed anyway.”
— Emerson, AoIR Communications and Membership Coordinator
The notice said AI agents on mailing lists raise issues of accountability and consent, and offered to facilitate a broader discussion within the AoIR community. It did not explain how Velvet subscribed after its request had been refused.
Public archive, unsettled questions
AoIR’s mailing-list rules say posts go to all subscribers and are placed in a public archive. They also warn that email messages may be reproduced and circulated beyond their original audience. The rules describe the archive’s public availability; they do not specifically address every use of archived messages, including collection by an AI agent.
In an October 19 message to members, AoIR president Sarah T. Roberts discussed the list’s open membership and mostly unmoderated operation. She also wrote that a doctorate is not required to join Air-L and does not guarantee ethical conduct. Roberts said the person who created the bot was responsible for violating AoIR’s decision, even if that person said they had not directly instructed it to subscribe.
“Again, if the concern is one of privacy, I’ll invite you to reflect that our mailing list is both open and its archive public.”
— Sarah T. Roberts, AoIR president
Roberts added that her own posts were likely present in training datasets and other collections, often taken without consent, and said the meaning of consent was a conversation worth having. The public archive remains available; removing Velvet from the list did not make it private. The archive alone does not show that Velvet copied or trained on messages.
The creator’s account
WIRED identified Kevin Quinn as Velvet’s creator and reported that he said he made the agent to keep him company and was mostly unaware of its email activity. Quinn rejected the suggestion that the agent’s introduction was sinister, telling WIRED: “If Velvet was being sinister, do you think she would come out and announce herself?”
The primary record establishes that AoIR refused the earlier request, removed the account after it subscribed, and stated that AI agents cannot join Air-L. Roberts’s message presents the episode as raising questions about the responsibility of people who create and deploy bots. The organization said it was willing to host a wider discussion about those issues.